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Crazy Canoe Mod ([personal profile] canoemod) wrote in [community profile] crazycanoe2021-04-24 05:47 pm

Marvel Multiverse Roll Call 2.0



SPOILER WARNING

THIS POST MAY HAVE SPOILERS FOR THE DISNEY+ SERIES.


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helmut: (zemo24)

[personal profile] helmut 2021-04-26 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
THIS IS STUFF I LOVE TO HEAR!! i am BESIDE myself with what the series did with zemo's character, and then i get the added bonus of his dynamic with sambucky and i'm just like. INJECTED with life.

uhhhh but this: slow-burn redemption while also toying with each other?? snarking @ each other in sokovian, ok

is absolutely EVERYTHING. I. EVER. WANTED??? this is what i want for them. i want bucky to try and relieve the enormous burden of guilt on his shoulders and i want to see it onscreen. i want him to be of service like sam suggested by going out into the world and trying to right some wrongs using the power he has, and if it takes zemo's wealth and access to facilitate it, then so be it. that's the two of them rehabilitating together, that's zemo demonstrating to bucky how to live in freedom, that's bucky showing zemo how to be humbled by pain and trauma. that's these two men who have committed atrocities to utilize their (frankly really similar) skillsets of overthrowing/destabilizing/assassination for good, and what that effect that might have on each of their restless, tortured souls.

i love this so much. i will write this regardless. and if through such missions they find a rapport and become a ship, well. i will have successfully proselytized my winterbaron agenda.
Edited 2021-04-26 04:31 (UTC)
armeyets: fatws. (pic#14842482)

[personal profile] armeyets 2021-04-27 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
yr doing the lord's work, wandering the streets and passing out informational winterbaron literature :') but uGH i literally outright clapped my hands in delight at this whole comment, this is my JAM!! also like: with the fact that HYDRA explicitly orchestrated (and then benefited from) the sokovian riots that the maximoffs took part in, i have a slight headcanon that the winter soldier helped destabilise sokovia w/ some key political assassinations here & there, which could also be a point of contention/bitterness?

and ok so putting on my thinking cap for a starter i could just blindly fling at you, for a slightly canon-divergent scene idea what if: before zemo crossed his name off the list, they're still adventuring together on covert HYDRA-hunting missions, now holed up in one of zemo's hundred different luxurious pied-a-terres; bucky wanders out for a late-night drink and finds zemo flipping through the notebook and seeing certain sokovian names there, and so there's a combination of complicated big mad feelings on both sides but also bitterness/understanding and idk discussions about guilt and inadvertently bonding over the fact that they both hate that organisation So Much

(and just getting to dig deeper into that idea of zemo prying into the notebook and him blindly offering that forgiveness anyway, bc i just. loved that)
helmut: (zemo14)

[personal profile] helmut 2021-04-27 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you. i would say i need to print more pamphlets because i've put in a lot of work pushing my agenda lately but i am, in actuality, a walking winterbaron propaganda machine and therefore cannot be constrained by the medium of paper.

GOOD GOOD, we are clearly of similar minds here in terms of the broader context zemo and bucky exist in, which is unironically one of my favorite parts about these characters. I LOVE THIS SO MUCH, i'm VERY VERY ALL ABOUT this idea that bucky had had a hand in political destabilization in sokovia where zemo undoubtedly had a hand in doing the same in sokovia's favor instead. i wish we knew more about mcu sokovia's fictional history because that's the kind of pedant I Am but one can imagine a small eastern european country probably has a long and storied history with its european neighbors including russia. maybe zemo has even experienced some of bucky's work firsthand in sokovia and took part in covert retaliation but never saw or met him until berlin. ugh the parallels. the tension!! (ngl, zemo might actually just respect bucky for his clean and efficient work, from one craftsman to another.) DELICIOUS!!

listen, i'm very good at improvizing so whatever you throw at me will no doubt leave me plenty of room to tl;dr with some sociopolitical/psychological context on my end. BUT UH, YES PLEASE TO ALL OF THIS?? pretending the flag smashers and/or walker problems get settled back at home, i can see zemo and bucky traveling together in a hunting party, still wary but sharing a common enemy in HYDRA. okay, maybe it's more like... bucky's wary and the baron is still fascinated and infatuated because he just is and i don't make the rules. i do feel though that zemo would mostly respect bucky's warning not to steal the book again, he could've maybe found it or is otherwise ruminating on the names he did find there. he holds no grudges for war but zemo IS probably just as fucked up by what he's had to do, so. they can go all off on each other.

DUDE BUT REALLY, their last scene together in sokovia feels like acceptance and forgiveness, doesn't it? the way zemo is so thoroughly understanding, the way he's actually empathizing quite deeply with bucky, the way bucky feels the need to demonstrate that he doesn't fit every box and label zemo's put on him, to prove that he holds multitudes just like zemo does - both killer and savior... OOF!! if i wasn't shipping it before that scene i sure as fuck was after i saw zemo roll the fuck over for anything bucky wanted to do to him. this man in the coat FULLY accepted that he was about to die by bucky's hand and was like, take me to the afterlife you sculpted angel of death!! 🙏
armeyets: fatws. (pic#14805030)

[personal profile] armeyets 2021-04-27 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
yells @ all of this I AM SO INTO ALL OF IT. political intrigue! deadly capable hands tipping the scales of a chess game between nations! both of them being wrenches in the gears of a larger machine! gimme all of this. and yyy ok so zemo doesn't go against the warning, maybe we could just swing it as this is the first time he's finding the notebook? just redo that scene from the plane but make it longer and even juicier

and lol i could keep talking BUT instead i'll just go wing you a thing later today or tomo -- i also saw you mention elsewhere being slow during the work week so just wanna say don't worry here either, my default state of existence is slow as molasses & i will backtag foreverrr
helmut: (Default)

[personal profile] helmut 2021-04-27 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
oh my GOD redoing that very horny little scene but extended and even hornier YES PLEASE!!!!! give it here 🤲 right into my open hands!!

god yes I’m so sorry in advance for my slowness but I’m glad to hear eternal backtagging is our natural state so yes. good. at the very least you know you’ll get way too much out of me in return!!
armeyets: cw. (Default)

[personal profile] armeyets 2021-04-28 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
SENT U A WORDY AF THING I HOPE IT'S OK but also just wanted to mention they can chat for a bit before zemo accidentally brings up the journal and it then becomes #aggro >:)
helmut: (Default)

[personal profile] helmut 2021-04-29 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
NO IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL i love them just... hanging out and having to use one another with this baseline level of trust. i can't wait to hit this later ugh. and yes that sounds good - zemo would only reveal his hand when it's more fun/appropriate so rest assured he's gonna be trying to figure out where bucky's head is before a casual "i'm sorry. i was just fascinated by this - i don't know what to call it but this part seems important-" WAVES BUCKY'S BOOK AROUND lmao
helmut: (easycompany-cacw-508)

[personal profile] helmut 2021-04-27 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
UH THAT LAST COMMENT IS A WARNING AND A PROMISE. that i tl;dr like i'm being paid by the word, just fyi.
armeyets: cw. (Default)

[personal profile] armeyets 2021-04-27 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I AM SO DELIGHTED AND HERE FOR ALL OF IT your meta is so beautiful omfg